Devils Advocates Panel – Morning Session
Andrew Carrett, Managing Director, Flint Hyde
Sally Kessen, UK Pensions Manager, G4S
Barry Parr, Independent Trustee, Carey Master Trust

08:00 – 09:00
Registration and Networking Breakfast

09:00 – 09:10
Welcome & Opening Remarks
Stephen Glover
Programme Director
DC Strategic Summit

09:10 – 09:35
Presentation: Mapping the DC Landscape
Vincent Franklin
Founding Partner

The DC sector is far more complex than other parts of the pensions system. There are multiple practitioners involved, many of whose roles are poorly understood even by those actively involved in DC pensions. DG Publishing has teamed up with Quietroom to create a “Map” of the DC landscape, depicting the various organisations involved in DC pensions and the roles they play. It is intended that the map will enable all stakeholders to explain this system to clients, colleagues, business counterparties, suppliers, trustees, investors, members, regulators, you name it – all those whom you serve or on whom you depend – in a clear, intelligible way, and in turn bring numerous benefits and efficiencies to your businesses and organisations. In this session, we will present the results of our work, and engage with delegates on how to develop this initiative further.

09:35 – 10:15
Panel: Competing Delivery Models – What’s Best for Members?

Tony Filbin
Capital Cranfield Trustees

Adrian Furnell
UK Pensions Manager

David Hare
Chair of the IGCs
Phoenix Life & Standard Life

Louise Sivyer
Policy Manager – Governance, Administration & DC
The Pensions Regulator

Is it best to be governed by a single trust, a master trust or an IGC? Should provision be bundled or unbundled? How do you compare the merits of the numerous DC investment platforms? How do costs and benefits stack up for all of these alternatives? These are just some of the choices and challenges that even experienced practitioners – let alone lay members – find confusing and difficult. Our panellists will seek to demystify the competing delivery models for DC pensions savings and to point towards a methodology to assess them more efficiently.

10:15 – 10:35
Presentation: The Evolving Role of Multi-Asset Strategies in DC Default Funds
Hani Redha
Global Multi-Asset Portfolio Manager
PineBridge Investments

Default funds must accomplish a very great deal. When you consider that over 90% of auto-enrolled DC members are invested in a default fund, and that in future most workers will depend on their DC savings for a wage in retirement, that amounts to a lot of heavy lifting. The mix of investments within a default fund is therefore critical. Our speaker will explore how multi-asset strategies are evolving to deliver the combination of performance and stability necessary to optimise retirement outcomes for a large number of members.

10:35 – 11:15
Panel: Making the Most of the Charge Cap

Andy Cheseldine
Professional Trustee
Capital Cranfield Trustees

Dan Brocklebank
Head of UK
Orbis Investments

David Farrar
DC Policy Manager
Department for Work and Pensions

Julie Richards
Director of Pensions
Walgreens Boots Alliance

The great majority of DC scheme members are invested in a default fund, currently with a maximum cap of 75 basis points for the total costs of running the scheme under auto-enrolment. This raises the dominant question on how to deploy that charge cap most effectively to achieve optimal member outcomes. Currently, costs for running the average scheme are not much above 50 basis points, strongly suggesting that DC providers are more concerned with prudence than performance. Meantime, many managers are reluctant to compete in the DC market because of the lower average fees. The panel will discuss whether there is an opportunity missed on both sides, and which combination of both passive and active investment strategies can be deployed to make optimum use of the charge cap.

11:15 – 11:40
Coffee Break

11:40 – 12:00
Presentation: ESG – No Longer Just a “Nice to have”
Jennifer Wu
Global Head of Sustainable Investment
J.P. Morgan Investment Management

ESG has come a long way. With better data and approaches to assessing financial materiality, defined contribution executives should carefully examine the incorporation of material ESG information as part of their DC portfolio planning. Our speaker will discuss the latest trends in ESG integration and especially their implications for investment strategy as well as manager selection and retention. She will also address the increasing interest from savers for dedicated sustainable investing strategies in DC pension portfolios and how best to structure a balanced portfolio to meet their needs.

12:00 – 12:40
Panel: Making Sense of Multiple Approaches to ESG

Daniel Godfrey
Member of the Independent Governance Committee
Legal & General

Simon Howard
Chief Executive
UK Sustainable Investment & Finance Association

Abbie Llewellyn-Waters
Fund Manager – Global Equities
Jupiter Asset Management

Lauren Peacock
Senior Campaigns Officer

Building on the ideas in the previous presentation, panellists will explore various approaches to sustainable investing within DC portfolios and the merits of each. They will discuss the challenges of incorporating ESG into various asset classes, and the extent to which DC managers need to become active stakeholders in the companies in which they invest.

12:40 – 13:00
Presentation: The Tipping Point for Scale in DC Pension Schemes
David Hutchins
Senior Portfolio Manager, Multi-Asset Solutions EMEA

The DC occupational pensions landscape continues to evolve toward greater consolidation and fewer schemes, all in the name of scale and the benefits that size can bring. Our speaker will explore the other side of this coin, especially the trade-offs for individual employer schemes and the potential detriment to member outcomes. What is the prudent level of scale and what is the scope to achieve a better balance for providers, employers and members in a post-consolidation world? He will make the case for custom defaults and how this can be achieved efficiently.

13:00 – 14:10

Devils Advocates Panel – Afternoon Session
David Hare, Chair of the Independent Governance Committee, Phoenix Life
Chris Pond, Chair, Lending Standards Board
Claire McCormick, Board Trustee, Clydesdale & Yorkshire Banking Group

14.10 – 14.40
Panel: Measuring Value for money – What’s the best Approach?

Julius Pursaill
RBS & Heineken DC Schemes

Kim Gubler
Pensions Administration Standards Association

John Quinlivan
Managing Director
Secure Pension Solutions

Louise Sivyer
Policy Manager – Governance, Administration & DC
The Pensions Regulator

Henry Tapper
Chief Executive Officer

Independent Governance Committees are mandated, among other things, to assess value for money of the schemes they supervise. But there is more than one school of thought on how best to do this. In particular, some practitioners believe that VFM can be expressed in a single number, enabling great efficiency of comparison and empowering members to take control of their pensions decisions, while others hold to the idea that VFM is far more complex and that this approach is oversimplified and misleading. Our Moderator will stage a debate between speakers representing these two competing views.

14.50 – 15.20
Presentation: Dashboards – Navigating the Way Ahead

Matt Dodds

Rob Yuille
Head of Long Term Savings Policy
Association of British Insurers

The intention of the Pensions Dashboard is to permit members to get a clear view of all their pensions savings in the same place at the same time. Easier said than done? Our speakers will discuss the status of these initiatives and what will be required of schemes and other organisations over the coming months. Success for the dashboard will depend critically upon data – data standards that work across all schemes, data collection, data readiness and exposing your data to dashboard are key elements for the industry delivery group to tackle.

15.20 – 16.00
Panel: The Best Bang for Your Buck – Incorporating Illiquids

Louisa Vincent
Interim Executive Director
Defined Contribution Investment Forum

James Beaumont
Head of Portfolio Research & Consulting Group
Natixis Investment Managers

Mark Thompson
Chief Investment Officer
HSBC Pension Scheme

Lauren Wilkinson
Senior Policy Researcher
Pensions Policy Institute

One of the great challenges in DC pensions is that of incorporating illiquid investments to any significant degree in the asset mix. Some argue that it simply cannot be done effectively because of the daily pricing constraint. Others say differently, and certainly from a philosophical point of view a pension plan that is not going to be drawn down for many years should be able to access long term risk premia, including illiquids. Our speakers will discuss the practicalities of these issues.

16.00 – 16.30
Coffee Break

16:30 – 16:50
Presentation: Can DC Pensions Deliver the Goods?
Glyn Jenkins
Head of Pensions

In the future, the great majority of UK workers will be primarily reliant upon a DC scheme for their retirement income. Which begs the serious question as to whether DC schemes are truly fit for purpose. Our speaker will discuss how UNISON appraise DC schemes and the criteria they use to determine whether they can provide adequate income throughout retirement for the average worker: level of contributions; transparency of charges; security for dependants; sponsored financial advice; and inclusion of all salary as pensionable. He will also discuss his view on whether collective defined contribution (CDC) schmes may have an important role to play.

16.50 – 17.30
Panel: What Happens At Retirement?

Ruston Smith
Tesco Pension Scheme

Ben Piggott
DC Plan Secretary
Royal Mail Pension Trustees

Sophia Singleton
Head of DC Consulting

Janette Weir
Managing Director
Ignition House

A significant criticism of DC schemes is that they are not really a pension, rather a tax-efficient savings scheme. At the point of retirement, members have critical choices to make about how they draw down their DC savings – whether they do indeed convert them into a wage for life (i.e. a pension), cash them in entirely, or choose some solution in between. What is certain is that the great majority of DC members will be reliant upon their DC pot(s) for their retirement income, and that many of them will be ill-equipped to make the optimal choices on their own. The panel will discuss the products and strategies that are being developed by the industry to assist members with this critical decision.

17.30 – 17:35
Closing remarks

17.35 – 18.45
Drinks Reception at County Hall

Dinner at Sticky Mango Restaurant
A partnership between celebrated Chef Peter Lloyd and Restaurateur & Wine connoisseur Nigel Wilkinson, Sticky Mango has taken residency at RSJ restaurant on the corner of Coin Street and Stamford Street in between Waterloo and London’s Southbank. The restaurant offers guests a relaxed dining experience, sharing the wonderful flavours of Lloyd’s creations paired with carefully selected Loire Valley wines from Wilkinson. We will provide a coach to take delegates the short journey to Sticky Mango following the Drinks Reception.